The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson Celebrates Christmas DVD

<a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1QgeK5tg0NRsLsM3OBLl5JhWGq3kzc5sGEkmkdJyC2KBitwWtLOho92ZJ85IsfnylHxs1UIhNYiX4sTt1X-AMZwiW-1Af9b5v9c8No0xjVU4OXbvwKHLv7u7QCvukhoP3x_b5GKTDEoqF/s1600-h/johnny+carson+christmas+DVD.JPG" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5289043147267188834" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj1QgeK5tg0NRsLsM3OBLl5JhWGq3kzc5sGEkmkdJyC2KBitwWtLOho92ZJ85IsfnylHxs1UIhNYiX4sTt1X-AMZwiW-1Af9b5v9c8No0xjVU4OXbvwKHLv7u7QCvukhoP3x_b5GKTDEoqF/s320/johnny+carson+christmas+DVD.JPG" style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 224px; height: 320px;" /></a><span style="font-size:100%;"><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;"><br />This was a Christmas present given to me by my son Alex. In the past, Alex chose several Christmas albums (<a href="http://christmasyuleblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/oh-santa-new-used-holiday-classics-yep.html">Oh Santa (Yep Roc)</a>, <a href="http://christmasyuleblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/gene-autry-complete-columbia-christmas.html">Gene Autry</a>) to give to my on December 25th but instead chose a DVD on my Santa list.<br /><br />My Santa list contained several DVD titles and several that I asked for were under the Christmas tree. I'm attempting to lose weight as a New Year's resolution (40 lbs. by my 40th birthday in June) and these will be used while exercising on the stationary bike or treadmill.<br /><br />Back in September, I discovered this DVD would be hitting shelves in October. At first, I was pretty psyched. A full DVD full of vintage Christmas clips from the Mighty Carson Art Players and Johnny himself, I thought.<br /><br />Last December, I posted a <a href="http://christmasyuleblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/its-youtube-christmas-pt-9.html">YouTube video</a> that had a clip from his 15th Anniversary show that contained a pretty hilarious Christmas clip. My friend Stubbyfears informed in the comments that he had seen the DVD and wished there were more clips like the one I had posted.<br /><br />Now I was full of trepidations - my wife said "too late" and on Christmas morning, the DVD was in my hands. The back of the DVD states "three classic shows" = good. The running time says "72 minutes" = not good.<br /><br />The menu tells another tale - each three shows came from the decade of the 1980s (1984, 1987, 1989). Why nothing earlier? Two likely reasons:<br /><br />1.) Nearly all of Johnny's work from 1962 to 1973 was never saved. TV network practices had engineers reusing early videotape for other programs.<br /><br />2.) During his legendary battle with then-head of NBC Fred Silverman, Carson gained ownership of his show away from NBC in 1980. Any clips from 1973 and 1980 would be the property of the Peacock and cost a fortune to license.<br /><br />With a roster of guest stars including Garry Shandling, Tony Bennett, Robin Williams, and the one and only Mr. Bob Hope stacked in its favor, how bad could this be?<br /><br />TRACK REVIEW:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.johnnycarson.com/carson/search.do?singleDateMonth=12&singleDateDay=21&singleDateYear=1984">Show 1 - 12/21/1984 - Guests: (NOT SHOWN), Garry Shandling, Manualist John Twomey</a><br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKWXXj0jfm4JC-QXfbyldpTH1Ns6MxG9WSoe2lv6qd5tkxWA9cXstoQnznE1vgMuf5BoWXHtB9hL9DaU6BuXLZVGBDNRyeZEwmY0TSKh9OsxP8mb_6BP71uSSMW6o7PWcfwaWU2WiLxq2Z/s1600-h/title+card.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5290774282737547154" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjKWXXj0jfm4JC-QXfbyldpTH1Ns6MxG9WSoe2lv6qd5tkxWA9cXstoQnznE1vgMuf5BoWXHtB9hL9DaU6BuXLZVGBDNRyeZEwmY0TSKh9OsxP8mb_6BP71uSSMW6o7PWcfwaWU2WiLxq2Z/s320/title+card.jpg" style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 222px;" /></a><br />As the familiar strains of "Johnny's Theme" begins, we get a patch job for the introduction - a title card from the late 70s / early 80s, no Ed McMahon voice over, and random full frame clips of Carson as various characters.<br /><br />This is totally different from the floating images intro of "The Tonight Show" that were used throughout the 1980s. Ed yells "Here's Johnny!" and we settle in for a Carson monologue. <br /><br />After hearing several quick jokes tinged with Christmas, the editing fairies arrive, cutting out non-Christmas jokes from the monologue (the Highway Patrol, Californians, Mike Wallace, Prince Harry, and Hong Kong.). This happens not once nor twice - try four times! Sacrilege.<br /><br />The original first guest on this show was Tony Bennett who sang three non-Christmas songs (even more money for licensing needed) and went to panel with Carson. Their talk wasn't too heavy on Christmas so his appearance was excised out - the reason for the edits in the monologue.<br /><br />After Johnny's golf swing, we get our first skit - Carson as then-President Ronald Reagan reading "The Night Before Christmas"; "From out on the Rose Garden, there came such a din - I thought it was Mondale trying to break in". Very topical, very 1980s, very Christmas, pretty funny.<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiVaKXcdb8l7Vo8OD1Fm5o_c0jiHbLKicVssvIYoyTEETROhyphenhyphengXL94s8W4DTBXCC_5v5FJL56Utw7ai7KdLY-FiVLHDgq9ZljYYxQYmLVmYHVPSyu4id6rEQzpQxrB-fuobUICbfZye66MB/s1600-h/carson+as+reagan.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5290776777853953746" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiVaKXcdb8l7Vo8OD1Fm5o_c0jiHbLKicVssvIYoyTEETROhyphenhyphengXL94s8W4DTBXCC_5v5FJL56Utw7ai7KdLY-FiVLHDgq9ZljYYxQYmLVmYHVPSyu4id6rEQzpQxrB-fuobUICbfZye66MB/s320/carson+as+reagan.jpg" style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 218px;" /></a><br />We skip ahead to Carson introducing the second guest Garry Shandling with actual hand claps from Tony Bennett - wonder if they paid extra for those. Shandling's routine and panel appearance is slightly flavored with Christmas but it remains intact - no edits.<br /><br />What gives? Why slice Johnny's monologue and leave Garry's intact? Who made those decisions?<br /><br />The final guest is manualist John Twomey who made several appearances with Carson over the years:<br /><br /><br /><object height="344" width="425"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/f26qMlN742w&hl=en&fs=1"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/f26qMlN742w&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"></embed></object><br /><br /><br />Twomey gives us priceless renditions of "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen", "White Christmas", "Santa Claus Is Coming To Town", and "Jingle Bells" using his hands. This is a study in reactions: Twomey's deadpan facial reaction, the audience reacting to the hilarious sounds, the occasional Carson reaction to both.<br /><br />By far, the best thing from this particular show. This was Twomey's second to last appearance with Johnny and why he never recorded albums (especially Christmas) is beyond me.<br /><br />Johnny comes back to wish everyone a Merry Christmas at the end (no goodbyes to the panel), we cut immediately to black and the main menu appears.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.johnnycarson.com/carson/search.do?singleDateMonth=12&singleDateDay=18&singleDateYear=1987"><br />Show 2 - 12/18/87 - Guests: Robin Williams, Bob Hope, Tony Bennett</a><br /><br />We get the same made-for-DVD open as described above but surprise! We actually get a full, unedited monologue from Carson chock full of 1980s references (Jim & Tammy, Jessica Hahn, Madonna & Sean Penn's divorce) sprinkled with just enough Christmas.<br /><br />According to the link above, Carson followed this monologue with some material read from his desk - a master pre-Christmas checklist to help you as a public service. Sadly, it isn't included on the DVD (perhaps to avoid paying the writers who came up with the gags).<br /><br />Johnny introduces Robin Williams who comes out to plug "Good Morning, Vietnam" and takes over the stage like only he can. This appearance / rant remains intact as well and is excruciatingly funny or painful depending on who you talk to. I was surprised they left it untouched (including showing the clip from "GM, V").<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjAdFMSuCTMUcTG1G-ctFoaA1Rc-FxKdhO6KzMfJZAdTomWJpw5gEfXLaKP1TE0mDNqxUBOy8YrtV0Yjb2gxhxIQjA30GNCvkv-tbGHQoNmdaDAwuK1LEDUUZP-lOBBWtVVWOsNi33ry-S/s1600-h/robin+williams.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5290777143562918994" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhjAdFMSuCTMUcTG1G-ctFoaA1Rc-FxKdhO6KzMfJZAdTomWJpw5gEfXLaKP1TE0mDNqxUBOy8YrtV0Yjb2gxhxIQjA30GNCvkv-tbGHQoNmdaDAwuK1LEDUUZP-lOBBWtVVWOsNi33ry-S/s320/robin+williams.jpg" style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 218px;" /></a><br />After the commercial break, Johnny introduces the next guest who's on the show to plug "Bob Hope's Christmas Show: A Snow Job In Florida". <span style="font-weight: bold;">Bob Hope 2</span>nd<span style="font-weight: bold;"> billed</span>?<br /><br />As "Thanks For The Memories" starts, Bob saunters out with a mild look of disgust. But as the audience rises to its feet (presumably) and yells its approval, Bob's get the wickedest grin on his face as if to say "Second slot or not, I still can win the hearts and minds of the audience".<br /><br />Hope thanks Johnny for the spot (Hope on Robin Williams: "He's wild, isn't he?") and gives a series of one word answers to questions put to him by Johnny - punishment for the second spot. Hope comes to life now and then (especially when Robin butts in with a joke) but it's an amazing display of body language - fiddling with his coat, squirming in his chair, occasionally looking at Johnny.<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjuo-kl_SeYF_8wrDd1l6P9SNuM3pZIUQMcl-36US4WpBcguqj4AFgXC-EdFabGyEU8FAN0NYTEn0YTBRQBExGIZirkmiz1gzLjht1muKV5hGlcVd4ditbM8kgpnws_Z76lCXSRBrXHsdD-/s1600-h/bob+hope.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5290777428328207906" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjuo-kl_SeYF_8wrDd1l6P9SNuM3pZIUQMcl-36US4WpBcguqj4AFgXC-EdFabGyEU8FAN0NYTEn0YTBRQBExGIZirkmiz1gzLjht1muKV5hGlcVd4ditbM8kgpnws_Z76lCXSRBrXHsdD-/s320/bob+hope.jpg" style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 219px;" /></a><br />Apparently, the DVD compilers decided to cut out Hope's clip from his special (if you hear a noise, that's Bob rolling over in his mausoleum) and we go directly into Johnny introducing Tony Bennett. Carson holds up an actual LP of "Bennett: Berlin" and we're treated with a great slow version of "White Christmas" backed by the Ralph Sharon Trio.<br /><br />Tony gets over to Johnny at the desk but we fade to black for commercial. Upon returning, Johnny thanks Tony, Bob (who awakens to make sure Johnny gets the time right for his special), and Robin snaps off several more jokes.<br /><br />The show ends with Doc Severinsen & The Tonight Show Band playing "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas". With Doc on lead trumpet a la Harry James, it's a great rendition as the credits roll. But like the rest of the show, it's abbreviated - time ran out and the song goes to black as well.<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFHGz2jw9mh04GEM9vNl56ap4tIZsqglZDdxjfhKCusxmP31UU9nVZFlyoJjtVXl1rKutb_OBTEJNo8m5gGkUpJCKFugNN8iOy6IfUsHLXAC6p_LjjrLB2bHy5Dg2pQTFer27LZxJYUKpO/s1600-h/doc+%26+band.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5290777862258928610" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgFHGz2jw9mh04GEM9vNl56ap4tIZsqglZDdxjfhKCusxmP31UU9nVZFlyoJjtVXl1rKutb_OBTEJNo8m5gGkUpJCKFugNN8iOy6IfUsHLXAC6p_LjjrLB2bHy5Dg2pQTFer27LZxJYUKpO/s320/doc+%26+band.jpg" style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 219px;" /></a><br />It's far better than show one and the most complete show on the DVD.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.johnnycarson.com/carson/search.do?singleDateMonth=12&singleDateDay=15&singleDateYear=1989">Show 3 - 12/15/1989 - Guests: (NOT SHOWN), Kevin Meaney, (NOT SHOWN)</a><br /><br />Another edited monologue to start. Considering it's length, should it even be called a monologue? One discussion with Doc over the pronunciation of "poinsettia", and three jokes. Why the jokes about getting into the spirit of Christmas in California were edited, who knows. <br /><br />If you click on the link above, you'll see the entire rundown of this particular show from Carson's own website. Upon learning that a segment with Johnny at the desk involving celebrity Christmas albums was removed irritates me to no end.<br /><br />Instead, we are serenaded by the Mighty Carson Art Players aka The NBC Yuletide Carolers (Johnny, Ed, Doc). Dressed in Victorian costumes, they sing a specially written version "The Twelve Days Of Christmas":<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEictf7Ii9O_WyiV5wUlA4gLVb6JR-9Q3DMTH7vmMNGFSGFYZ33DOoAtshH1LXbSAkflqvOUUma8CNlhyphenhyphen-EuIxyQmSjWLz3ZUzVy7Bol3oNLGMkrxuYhmAQ7E8YHdnATpYHgNvVbAgTJjDpT/s1600-h/NBC+yuletide+carolers.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5290778205889421138" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEictf7Ii9O_WyiV5wUlA4gLVb6JR-9Q3DMTH7vmMNGFSGFYZ33DOoAtshH1LXbSAkflqvOUUma8CNlhyphenhyphen-EuIxyQmSjWLz3ZUzVy7Bol3oNLGMkrxuYhmAQ7E8YHdnATpYHgNvVbAgTJjDpT/s320/NBC+yuletide+carolers.jpg" style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 219px;" /></a><br />"On the second day of Christmas, my true love TOOK from me, two swimming pools, and the house in the hills of Beverly". Considering there were six divorces between the three (Johnny 3, Ed 2, Doc 1), this topic was always a good source of humor over the years on "The Tonight Show" - it's still funny.<br /><br />The first guest of the night was Bob Hope, who was there plugging his 1989 Christmas special entitled "Bob Hope's Christmas Special from Waikoloa, Hawaii" ("Hey, how 'bout those hula dancers, aren't they somethin'?). However, his entire appearance disappears from the DVD. Retribution?<br /><br />We get comedian Kevin Meaney's complete comedy routine (lightly flavored with Christmas) that is painfully unfunny until he imitates Johnny Mathis & Ethel Merman dueting on "Winter Wonderland". After all, this IS a Christmas DVD and there should be some of that here, huh?<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghNbDLVh3AQbkwENNQ4p3E0VkSs7kFwn3Gchlowc6oJVJpSUpd-7yftYoWwafu_ub_Dt7xBnoAtdj6T-FXltoU3E0USdfFFC9fOYX6_PD6w2ZaOFT3Fpdh8xwyLpyM4Rb5rqWKrVu-dVgS/s1600-h/kevin+meaney.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5290778533559250818" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghNbDLVh3AQbkwENNQ4p3E0VkSs7kFwn3Gchlowc6oJVJpSUpd-7yftYoWwafu_ub_Dt7xBnoAtdj6T-FXltoU3E0USdfFFC9fOYX6_PD6w2ZaOFT3Fpdh8xwyLpyM4Rb5rqWKrVu-dVgS/s320/kevin+meaney.jpg" style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 218px;" /></a><br />Johnny's final guest of the night was actress Liv Ullman. Appearing on the show to plug her latest film "The Rose Garden", apparently nothing of her time spent on the couch next to Johnny was Christmas related. She was left off the DVD as well.<br /><br />What's left is the worst hacked show on the DVD and a sad way to end the whole thing.<br /><br /><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgIf8U1uKETc5FvzlH8ddIYS1_PPiU0tQ-izYPXCBn_87uWpXiF2nR1t9ZBscGCBaJkkeM9DD25_v0G4qS2_VqogUegw8t6pbl-7uH7VnXNH9WcSKWRiLNRBftBxyq3tdXPZVufjrjq6zRf/s1600-h/johnny+-+goodbye.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5290779135364323170" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgIf8U1uKETc5FvzlH8ddIYS1_PPiU0tQ-izYPXCBn_87uWpXiF2nR1t9ZBscGCBaJkkeM9DD25_v0G4qS2_VqogUegw8t6pbl-7uH7VnXNH9WcSKWRiLNRBftBxyq3tdXPZVufjrjq6zRf/s320/johnny+-+goodbye.jpg" style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 320px; height: 219px;" /></a><br /><br />Overall, a major disappointment. I wonder if Johnny would have been happy with this finished product or to even have his name associated with it. Looking at some of the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B001CO3280/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful?_encoding=UTF8&coliid=&showViewpoints=1&colid=&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending">reviews</a> at Amazon.com, apparently quite a few people agree with me.<br /><br />Granted, on a DVD like this, not every clearance could be gotten. Was Liv Ullman even contacted about this? Figure in licensing the footage itself from Carson, royalties for performers and now writers, music licensing, and production / distribution costs and you can see why the editing fairies did what they did.<br /><br />What makes this worst is the amount of material that should have been included and left out. Thanks to YouTube, we may see some of it (like the aforementioned clip I posted in December). I'm not asking for every monologue joke that contains Christmas, but if there is something related to it (the missing skits I pointed out above), it certainly merits consideration.<br /><br />The end result only hurts us - the people paying money to see it. Do yourself a favor - don't buy this. Don't consider downloading this. Don't rent this from Netflix. Wait until it comes to your local library and check it out for free. If you pay anything more than that, you're going to get ripped off.<br /><br />This was a gift from my son and the major hug we shared after I opened it will be treasured for years to come. The DVD will gather some major dust.<br /><br />Even the allure of seeing Johnny again at Christmas and the comedy contained in this DVD in future years will be tarnished because of the "snow job" (to borrow a phrase from Mr. Hope) they gave us on this digital cookie. Make that cookie crumb.<br /><br /><br />Capt</span></span>

The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson Celebrates Christmas DVD

This was a Christmas present given to me by my son Alex. In the past, Alex chose several Christmas albums ( Oh Santa (Yep Roc) , Gene Autry...

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It's A YouTube Christmas - Pt. 9

<span style="font-size:100%;"><span style="font-family:trebuchet ms;">From time to time this Christmas season, I'll be posting some amazing videos that have been rescued by people like us and posted at the mecca of all things wonderful and obscure - <a href="http://www.youtube.com/">YouTube</a>.<br /><br />I invite you to add a fun comment, witticism, clever remark, or observation in the comments section provided. Any comments deemed worthy of repeating will be included into this entry where all the world will see it.<br /><br />My wife asked for my Christmas list the other day. One of the items on that list was a new DVD entitled "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Johnny-Carson-Celebrates-Christmas/dp/B001CO3280">Johnny Carson Celebrates Christmas</a>" that compiles some of the best moments that occured during his 30 year reign on "The Tonight Show".<br /><br />It features Doc Severinsen and the Tonight Show band performing yuletide classics, famous celebs like Robin Williams and Tony Bennett, holiday monologues from Johnny, a special holiday visit from Bob Hope ("I wanna tell ya, I was taping across the hall..."), and dozens of holiday skits like the one posted below.<br /><br />Hereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's Johnny:<br /><br /><object height="344" width="425"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qizKwgHf41Q&hl=en&fs=1"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qizKwgHf41Q&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="344" width="425"></embed></object><br /><br />Why is there a ghostly image of Frank Sinatra and Johnny Carson on the paused screen? This was taped off Johnny's 15th anniversary show and the clip immediately after the Christmas skit is with the pair. Watch for a surprise visit from Mr. Warmth Don Rickles!<br /><br />What do you think?<br /><br />Stubby says: <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">What do I think? I think that first skit should have been on the DVD. It wasn't.</span><br /><br />Any other opinions?<br /><br /><br />Capt</span></span>

It's A YouTube Christmas - Pt. 9

From time to time this Christmas season, I'll be posting some amazing videos that have been rescued by people like us and posted at the ...

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